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Defrag comes with every modern Windows installation...

Windows isn't an operating system where you can choose what you want to install or not.



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If all else fails fire up a linux distro and check it out like slax with some harddrive diagnostics on it from say a flash drve or cd/dvd.




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Im doing whitewolf's MyDefrag program right now and it seems to work.
Now i researched more about the vista defragmenter and appearently when you click it nothing is supposed to pop up because it runs in the background.
Wish they would've added a progress bar like xp or win7.



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Now i researched more about the vista defragmenter and appearently when you click it nothing is supposed to pop up because it runs in the background.
Did you check the bottom right corner? It should be there and when you click on the defragmenter icon there, it should open up.



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Well, cant try it right now since i just started defragging the other two drives
but no, i would've seen it.

is it okay to defrag the harddrive with steam games on it?



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is it okay to defrag the harddrive with steam games on it?
Of course, why would you think it isn't?



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idk xD computer doesn't feel faster. guess i have to restart it to find out...



 
 
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By being "faster" we mean that the hard drive itself is sort of self-organized (so-to-speak). This is primarily because of the way HPFS/NTFS partitions are designed.



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In all reality, defragmenting a drive really doesn't give the end user too much of a performance boost. NTFS file systems tend to get "cluttered," to put it in layman's terms. Defragmenting a drive or file system pretty much just organizes it, so to speak. This is being very general as I'm not sure a more in-depth explanation would help.



 
 
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Back in the bad old days of slower and smaller harddrives, disk defragmenting could speed up load times when accessing programs. Not anymore really.



 
 
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While it's true that hard drive sequential speed has gone way up, we've settled on 7200 RPM for consumer drives for some time now -- which, for discussion's sake, has an average seek of about 15ms.

If you consider a heavily fragmented drive and a request for sequential segments of some large file, then the drive is continually spending most of it's time doing flyby trying to align itself for the next sector.

However, latest SATA and AHCI controllers, as well as drives, implement NCQ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCQ which can dramatically reduce this effect by allowing the drive to well-order these requests into something that's much more efficient -- and with 16MB or 32MB of cache it can store 32k or 64k such requests (assuming 512b sectors) in cache.

Additionally, general system responsiveness has gone through the roof (except in specific cases) because system design switched away from waiting for the drive to give the OS data, to asking the drive to notify when the data is ready for consumption on the interface (via interrupt request and DMA).

Still, disk defragmentation remains a recommended task but it's not nearly as beneficial (as mentioned above) as it used to be.



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