Mass Production of Boiled Sturgeon

Hey everyone,

To try and help us all powerlevel I figure, as a chef, that I should get us the best wisdom foods available.

Boiled Sturgeon gives 5 wisdom for 15 minutes, while that may not seem like much if everyone in a full 6 person party eats some that's a 30% faster level rate for our guild.

If we have two groups, like we often do on the weekends that's a 60% exp increase for our guild and so on and so forth.

The ingredients are as follows:

1 Water
3 Essence of Thisledown (9 thistle)
1 Sturgeon Fillet (3 sturgeon)

If you could donate any of these please let me know. As I get more mats and grind more I will distribute the food to guild officers for distribution in guild runs.

Thanks!

Does the party's wisdom stack together or something?

No. It's a 5% increase for everyone but everyone is in our guild =P. It does stack with candy I believe though.

What I'm seeing from this:
http://wakfu.gamerescape.com/wiki/Boiled_Sturgeon
Is that it only gives one person 5 wisdom, not everyone. It doesn't matter if you have a group of 100 people or just two, if you give them all this item the total wisdom increase is still going to be only 5% faster.

Hmm... fish could be yummy :S

Gibberish I'm not saying it gives your group 30% faster leveling speed PER PERSON. It gives each person 5% (+5 wisdom) which, when multiplied by each person is a 30% faster exp increase on the whole. No, one person does not gain 30% exp but everyone is in our guild so the guild's effective xp rate is increased 30% per full guild group eating fish.


Also, I gave out the second batches today. Let me know what you think! I'm noticing this takes massive amounts of thistle so please help out all of your herbalists if you have extra thistle lying around (or essence of thistle, which is what the recipe calls for)!

No, I know all that, but what I'm saying is that it doesn't work that way. 5 wisdom is 5% more exp, which means 5% faster leveling. 10 wisdom is 10% more exp, 10% faster leveling. 15 wisdom is 15% more exp, which means 15% faster leveling. It only applies to one person, right? So when you take six people with five wisdom they'll only level up 5% faster, it doesn't matter if the group has 100 or just 1 person, it will always be 5% faster because each individual person only has 5 wisdom. Leveling speed doesn't stack if it's equal to wisdom.

This is all, of course, barring the fact that you can get more done faster as a group. Though, calculating the quantified efficiency of a group would require too much variable information.

Ah true because you're all in the same group. If you take the guild as a whole though with each member a constituent part of the whole then my original statement still holds. 5% each for 6 people.

Either way I think we both agree that more is better.

tl;dr
Sure, but it doesn't make sense that six individuals leveling up at 5% greater speed would mean that the group levels up at 30% greater speed.

ts;dr
Sure, but let me just try to explain myself one last time because I think you're calculating an incorrect - but similar - percentage. With this scenario, assume that every character is a clone of the party leader, which means same class, stats, etc.

There is a party of six people.
They enter a fight and win 100 exp each.
Since they have +5 wisdom, they each get 105 exp.
That's 105 exp a piece, which is 105% of what each person would have gotten.
That means they all leveled up 5% faster than normal.

Each person has only gained 105% of what they would have gained, therefore they are leveling at 105% efficiency. That's 5% faster leveling for not only each person, but the group as a whole as well. If you take away one person, the party would still level up at 105% total efficiency. If everyone in the party is leveling up 5% faster, the whole party's leveling speed can not exceed 5%. What (I think) you are calculating is the combined experience provided by wisdom without looking at the total experience gain, so it pretty much looks like this:

Six characters
5 wisdom each
5% x 6 = 30%
Add this to the mutual experience (party's normal total exp percentage)
30% + 100% = 130% leveling efficiency

This is wrong because it's looking at the party's exp percentage without considering that there are six characters who earn it and split it. Let's look back at the scenario again. We've established that all six characters are leveling up at 105% efficiency; 5% faster than normal. Six characters leveling at 105% of their normal speed is 630% of what one person would receive. The number 30 is only 5% of 600. Since 6 characters in a group provide a combined 600% exp, and we're adding 30% to it, then that also must mean that the leveling speed has been combined to form the extra 30%. The math should look like this:

Six characters get 105% experience
105% x 6 = 630% of what one person gets
600 / 30 = 20 (20 x 5 = 100, therefore 30 is 5% of 600)

If what you're saying were true and we could get enough people working on this all at once (to the point where the leveling speed is in the thousands, so like 34 groups but whatever), you would theoretically be able to level up anyone immediately. The only reason I press the subject this much is because if people see a big "30% faster level rate for our guild" up there it might get their hopes a little too high, you know?

Party pooper, 30% sounds nicer than 5% on 6 individuals.

Do you really have to be so anal about it?

@Zev how many do you have on stock?

I didn't know I was being anal about it...
It's just an explanation, I didn't insult him or anything. I told him he did something wrong, what he did wrong, and why it was wrong. I understand that calling someone's statement incorrect could be considered aggressive, but I thought I made it as neutral as possible.

Is it really that antagonistic? I'm trying to be as friendly as possible, this is the first time I've ever been in a guild without malevolence or boredom being the reason for joining, so forgive me if I step any boundaries.

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Now that I look back, the opening clause "let me just try to explain myself one last time" probably set the wrong attitude for the rest of the post.

Being anal about it doesn't necessarily have to be antagonistic. The thread was slightly derailed is all (mainly because half of this thread strayed from the point).

On that note, on Wednesday I'll continue my little thistle farm and get 2 other members to work on fishing for the ingredients. Hopefully Zev will have time to wait until after my test.

@Gibberish: No problem man. I understand what you're saying and it's mathematically sound. Don't worry about it I'm not offended. Crunching the numbers now it turns out my math was just wrong, I was adding the bonuses together when they shouldn't have been added together. Even if all the party members are in different groups with the wis food its +5% for the guild, not +30%. However if not everyone is under the influence of the food it starts dipping below +5% for the guild.

@Jedo: I had about 50 in stock today but I've given about 42 out to guildies a bit more than that from what I gave to Remi-Dee before I started mass producing. I can wait until Wendesday that's fine, I'm leveling my cooking today with Ego's help.

madness!